Behavioral Grooves Podcast

Rory Sutherland: The Opposite of a Good Idea is a Good Idea

Jan. 7, 2020

Rory Sutherland is a British advertising executive who became fascinated with behavioral science. Between his TED talks, books and articles, he has become one of the field’s greatest proponents. Rory is currently the Executive Creative Director of OgilvyOne, after gigs as vice-chairman of Ogilvy Group UK and co-founder of the Behavioural Sciences Practice, part of the Ogilvy & Mather group of companies. He is the author of The Spectator’s The Wiki Man column and his most recent book, which we highly recommend, is Alchemy: The Dark Art and Curious Science of Creating Magic in Brands, Business, and Life.

We started our discussion with Rory by asking him about his new book and some of his insights from it. His approach to advertising, marketing and product design is informed by his ability to look for the things that aren’t there. He once described a solution to improving customer satisfaction on the Chunnel Train between London and Paris by suggesting that a billion dollars would be better spent on supermodel hosts in the cars than on reducing ride time by 15 minutes. He’s a terrifically insightful thinker.

Our conversation ran amok of all sorts of rabbit holes, as expected, including ergodicity, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's “The Silver Blaze,” high-end audio and the dietary habits of the world-famous runner, Usain Bolt.

In Kurt and Tim’s Grooving Session, we discuss some of our favorite takeaways from Rory’s conversation including, “The Opposite of a Good Idea is a Good Idea” and others. And finally, Kurt teed up the Bonus Track with a final reflection and recap of the key points we discussed.

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Rory Sutherland:

“Alchemy: The Dark Art and Curious Science of Creating Magic in Brands, Business, and Life”:


Murray Gell-Mann, PhD:

Robin Williams “Scottish Golf”:

Don Draper:


John James Cowperthwaite:


Daniel Kahneman, PhD:

What You See is All There Is:,_Fast_and_Slow

Arthur Conan-Doyle:

Sherlock Holmes “Silver Blaze”:

Tim Houlihan’s Blog on “Silver Blaze”:

Ben Franklin T-Test:

Volkswagen Fighter:

David Ogilvy:

Jock Elliot:

Battle of Leyte Gulf:

Croft Audio:

Mu-So single speaker:

WFMT Chicago:

TK Maxx:

Berlin Hotel with Big Lebowski:




Usain Bolt:

Sheena Iyengar, PhD:

Jelly Jar Study:

Big Band Music:


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Southern California Community Choir:


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