Behavioral Grooves Podcast

Why Music Makes You Feel Better with Pablo Ripollés and Ernest Mas Herrero

May 2, 2021

In this episode we are thrilled to be discussing our two favorite topics: human behavior and music. We learn that music, more than any other activity, can help lift our mood, during COVID. Our guests Pablo Ripollés PhD and Ernest Mas Herrero have spent years studying how the brain responds to rewards, learning and memory. Early in the pandemic, they decided to conduct research on a long list of activities that people were doing at home to manage their stress and increase the pleasure in their lives. While a number of the activities were found to help with mental health, the research overwhelmingly showed that engaging with music was the best way to lift your mood.

We have a really engaging conversation with Pablo and Ernest about their research findings on wellbeing and music. They believe that because listening to music is a passive activity and is so accessible, or “fun and free” as they call it, everyone can experience pleasure from it. And it’s not just listening to music; dancing, singing or playing music are all beneficial.  We also learn that the best type of music to engage with is whatever music you really enjoy: “It will be beneficial as long as it is pleasurable.”

The questionnaire Pablo and Ernest discuss in the podcast is the Barcelona Music Reward Questionnaire http://brainvitge.org/z_oldsite/bmrq.php. It will take you only a few minutes to find out about your individual sensitivity to musical reward. And you can also read Pablo and Ernest’s full research article: “Rock ’n’ Roll but not Sex or Drugs: Music is negatively correlated to depressive symptoms during the COVID-19 pandemic via reward-related mechanisms” https://psyarxiv.com/x5upn/. 

Listen in to find out more from Pablo and Ernest about how music can benefit your mental wellbeing. And If you’d like to support the work we do at Behavioral Grooves bringing you interesting research insights, please consider becoming a Patreon member at https://www.patreon.com/behavioralgrooves

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(0:06) Introduction

(5:20) Speed Round Questions

(8:44) Research Insights with Pablo and Ernest

(36:50) Grooving Session

(50:26) Bonus Track

Musical Links 

Dropkick Murphys https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcIRZxNH7xcEt1fu4pfqFRg 

Rumba https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrsK48Bp6T8 

Catalan music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjJnF95TWN8 

Zoo https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBh82sG2OKv1J6Ij43mdFiw 

Depeche Mode https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCM-CWGUijAC-8idv6k6Fygw 

Aretha Franklin “Think” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqYnevHibaI 

Links

“Rock ’n’ Roll but not Sex or Drugs: Music is negatively correlated to depressive symptoms during the COVID-19 pandemic via reward-related mechanisms” Herrero et al (2020): https://psyarxiv.com/x5upn/ 

“Neural correlates of specific musical anhedonia” Martínez-Molina et al (2016): https://www.pnas.org/content/113/46/E7337

Pablo Ripollés: https://as.nyu.edu/faculty/pablo-ripolles.html 

Ernest Mas Herrero: https://orcid.org/0000-0002-3607-8489 

Jamón ibérico https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jam%C3%B3n_ib%C3%A9rico 

Lionel Messi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Messi 

Michael Jordan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan 

Roger Federer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Federer 

“Goal Gradient Theory” Kivetz et al (2006): https://home.uchicago.edu/ourminsky/Goal-Gradient_Illusionary_Goal_Progress.pdf 

Robert Zatorre, PhD https://www.mcgill.ca/neuro/robert-zatorre-phd

Neomi Singer, PhD https://neuroscience-innovation.org/music-to-my-brain-neomi-singer 

Laura Ferreri, University of Lyon https://emc.univ-lyon2.fr/laura-ferreri-785895.kjsp 

Michael McPhee, NYU https://steinhardt.nyu.edu/people/michael-mcphee  

Hedonia and anhedonia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anhedonia 

Barcelona Music Reward Questionnaire http://brainvitge.org/z_oldsite/bmrq.php 

Spotify https://www.spotify.com/us/ 

The Ikea Effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IKEA_effect#:~:text=The%20IKEA%20effect%20is%20a,of%20furniture%20that%20require%20assembly

The Singing Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singing_Revolution 

Music of the Civil Rights Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_songs

Baroque Music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApSoNBu2wt8 

Agatha Christie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agatha_Christie 

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