I never liked the hype around PDYM or Saddleback and had pretty much refused to give anything that came out of Saddleback or PDYM a second look. Well, just like Matt saw the light and bought a Mac (episode 33), I have had a bit of a conversion and am now a loyal fan of these guys (I mean this gender inclusively, Natalie), and their podcast. I am thankful for Doug, Matt, Josh, Natalie (even Andy), and all the great advice they give. It's great to know that there are people out there like them in youth ministry and in ministry to youth ministers. They are humble, honest, wise, and really, really funny. This podcast deserves a listen or 68.