I love my NYTimes podcasts, tried this one again and I just could not get through anymore. I agree with comments about the male host. The production is good though. The most recent podcast, as of today, was without the regular host and instead, two female hosts (great!) But, good god, the gentleman guest should have been reminded to refrain from saying “like” as a place filler, and “ya know, like” constantly. Follow the female hosts’ lead! Slow down. Stop and think about what is being said or just let there be a break in words. I was fluent in “valley girl” growing up in 80s SFV and I knew /know when to tone it down. Thankfully there was no vocal fry and inappropriate “upward inflection” at the end of statements. I didn’t expect a guest host fail from a NYTimes podcast.