The first 5 minutes of the atheism podcast makes 3 points in an attempt to establish their authority on the subject by making anything but belief in God as Creator seem outlandish, ludricrous, unbelievable foolish stupidity. The 1st establishes a false definition of atheism, including the idea that all thought is illusion. The 2nd is that Chris and John are not "...thank God, of the learned class..." The 3rd is that the Universe always just "was," ha ha hee hee. Does it not occur to anyone listening that 1) there are all manner of different beliefs in the class of "atheists" just as in Christianity; 2) Scientists and the "learned class" do not pursue education and knowledge in order to ultimately join the secret club that disavows God so that we can sin without accountability; 3) They then assert that God always just "was." Why? 'Because, you sinning unbeliever, He said so. We have a book. And besides, if you don't believe like we tell you to, you are a laughable dunce.' Does it not occur to anyone that two men who confess from the beginning to being completely uneducated on the subject cannot then move to use that very fact as a credential or basis of authority? It always continues to amaze me how Evangelical Christians will trust, or "believe in" the scientific basis for the existence of aircraft, automobiles, running water, space travel, computers, 'miraculous' life-saving drugs, spectacular life-saving surgical procedures, cell phones, DVD players, TVs, and on and on, but when it comes to Evolution, which is a cornerstone of modern Life Sciences, we're all suddenly a bunch of "thinking to be wise, they have become fools." I guess truth is stranger than fiction.