July 14, 2026

The Navy SEAL Approach to Uncertainty with Author Rich Diviney

In this episode, I sit down with former Navy SEAL, leadership expert, and bestselling author Rich Diviney to explore what it really means to perform well in uncertain environments. Drawing from the ideas in his book Masters of Uncertainty, Rich explains why chasing peak performance can actually be the wrong goal for most people and why learning to perform optimally in unpredictable situations matters far more.  We discuss how uncertainty affects decision-making, motivation, relationships, and business development, and how small shifts in focus can help us make progress even when outcomes feel unclear. If you're leading a business, growing relationships, managing a team, or simply trying to navigate a challenging season, this conversation offers practical ways to stay focused and effective when certainty is nowhere to be found. Topics We Cover in This Episode:  Why optimal performance is often more useful than peak performance How uncertainty creates stress and what your brain is looking for in difficult situations The Duration, Pathway, Outcome (DPO) framework and how it can reduce overwhelm Why breaking goals into smaller horizons can improve motivation and follow-through How fear, uncertainty, and anxiety interact and what helps reduce their impact What attributes reveal about how people show up under pressure How high-performing teams adapt leadership responsibilities in real time Why trust depends on more than competence and consistency alone   If you're looking for practical ways to navigate uncertainty with more confidence, clarity, and resilience, this episode is for you.   Resources Mentioned: Listen to Secrets to Thriving Under Pressure with Author and Retired Navy SEAL, Rich Diviney: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/secrets-to-thriving-under-pressure-with-author-and/id1504330338?i=1000683901565    Connect with Rich: https://learn.theattributes.com/mastering-uncertainty   Sign up for Bunnell Idea Group's free AI Business Development tool, GrowBIG AI: growbig.ai Sign up for Mo's weekly newsletter: GrowBigPlaybook.com Free Give to Grow Training and Downloadable Materials: Givetogrow.info Give to Grow Amazon Order Link:  https://a.co/d/ec8DTzc Follow Mo's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mobunnell/

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